Smutzer, Russell
Arlington TX
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 01/12/2004 10:28 AM Pacific Time
Hi all new member here in Texas. I recently sold my O'Day 17 which was primarily used for racing. I wish to move up to a boat with more cruising possibilities and still be able to race. I have looked at some Catalina 22's that are late seventies but hate the way an old boat looks. Gel coat is dust and interior is ragged. I see a 1989 close enough to go get (5 hrs away), but it is a wing keel. Can someone give me the pros and cons of the wing vs. swing?
Will it be slower racing?
Dose it have more interior room?
Why can do I not see any mid 90's boats for sale?
Thanks
Russell |
Howard Friedman
Pisgah Forest, NC
Boat Name: For Spacious Seas
Model/Year: Wing - 1989
Hull No. 14907
Hailing Port: Lake Keowee-Seneca, SC |
01/12/2004 12:49 PM Pacific Time
Russell-I currently own an '89 wing-keel and I love it. I previously owned a '75 swing-keel and I had many problems with it. It's nice not to have my head under the forward setee hatch so much of the time, locating and fixing cracks as well as all the other keel maintenance required. Look at how much discussion time is devoted to swing-keel problems. The fixed keel, in my opinion, is also a more stable boat. It has a greater moment due to its heavier weight. Sudden gusts don't heel you over as quickly as with the other model-it is generally a lot more stable. This will probably make it a slower boat compared to the swing-keel model. Another drawback is that you now have a plow anchor on the bottom of your boat so don't ground her in sand or you will have to dig her out. The swing-keel is a lot easier to free. The good news though is that if you get stuck, at least you'll be sitting straight or vertical to the bottom instead of heeled over. |
Smutzer, Russell
Arlington TX
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01/13/2004 8:47 AM Pacific Time
Dose the fix keel have more interior head room then the swing keel? |
Chuck Beesley
Dallas area
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Model/Year: '90 Wing Keel
Hull No. 15065
Hailing Port: Lake Joe Pool |
01/13/2004 10:03 PM Pacific Time
The fixed keel models don't have any difference in the interior room. However, the later model has more
interior space than the older models and they pay for it
through a lot more weight.
Chuck Beesley
oldbees@aol.com
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Chuck Beesley
Dallas area
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Model/Year: '90 Wing Keel
Hull No. 15065
Hailing Port: Lake Joe Pool |
01/13/2004 10:04 PM Pacific Time
I guess I should have added, I have a '90 model wing keel and really like it.
Chuck Beesley
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Bob Larkin
Corvallis, OR
Boat Name: New Wave
Model/Year: 1988 Wing
Hull No. 14710
Hailing Port: Fern Ridge, OR |
01/14/2004 4:05 PM Pacific Time
We have an 88 wing and are happy with it. But, can anybody tell me how to dump a length of kelp from the keel without stopping the boat?? One length of kelp seems to be about one lost kt!!
I know we are supposed to watch for the kelp, but...
Bob |
David
Fairport, NY
Boat Name: 2nd Chance
Model/Year: Catalina 22 Wing Keel 1999
Hull No. 15108
Hailing Port: Pultneyville, NY |
04/02/2005 8:08 AM Pacific Time
Russell,
I recently bought a 1999 wing keel C22. One of the main advantages was the cruising comfort. The swing keel has the crank arm rigth below the cabin entrance. My kids would have hit that numerous times. The wing is more stable overall, but maybe a tad slower, although I have read others in this forum claim that they have raced competitively against swing keels. Rig tuning is very critical, ( I have yet to get it right!!).
Biggest advantage is maintainence!, or lack of it, I should say. Many articles about swing keel maintainence.
Watch out for your rudder, it will draft more than the keel. It is possible to go over an obstruction with the keel only to hit it with the rudder??
Dave,
2nd Chance
1999 C22, Pultneyville, NY |
Rich Fox
Westfield/Indianapolis
Boat Name: SeDepecher
Model/Year: 2006
Hull No. 15582
Hailing Port: Indianapolis, IN |
04/03/2005 5:21 PM Pacific Time
Russell-
I own a 1988 wing keel and frequently race it. The wing keel is not a competitive boat in the C22 class. For Club/PHRF racing, it will do well, if properly equipped.
If your plans are to race the boat against other Catalina 22s in your area, you may find yourself disappointed with the performance of the wing keel if your goal is to be a contender for a trophy in the C22 class.
On the otherhand, sometime in the early 1990s a wing keel boat did place 2nd in the Gold Fleet at a Catalina 22 National Regatta. The two times I have raced in the National Regatta (Silver Fleet) half the swing keel boats finished in front of me, the other half behind me.
Most of the wing keel models were built between 1988 and 1992. A few boats may have been built in 1993. I suspect production halted in 1994 in preparation for the new MKII boat that debut in 1995, which also offers a wing keel as an option.
With the wing keel you have a little more room in the cabin as there is no swing keel casing consuming valuable cabin floor space.
The wing keel is zero maintenance...except painting.
In the Midwestern states the wing keel boats are highly sought after and usually sell at a premium price within a matter of days or a few weeks, if in good condition.
Rich Fox
SePlaire #14411
Westfield, IN
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Al Gearing
Burleson, Texas
Boat Name: Torch of Freedom
Model/Year: C-22/'76
Hull No. 6448
Hailing Port: Arlington YC |
04/04/2005 4:45 AM Pacific Time
Hi Folks,
After all the talk, last year, by Russ, about getting a Catalina, he went out and bought a Hunter 24 or 26.
Al Ge |
