Russ Milham
Lake Forest Park, WA
Boat Name: Griot
Model/Year: C-22 1981
Hull No. CTYH0492M811
Hailing Port: Kenmore Air Harbor |
 11/06/2012 12:09 AM Pacific Time
Hi all,
Back after a couple of years away. I seek dry electrically-independent cabin heat for year-round sailing in the Pacific Northwest. I love my Griot, but if I can’t crack this problem, I may have to let her go to a summertime fair-weather sailor. I’m looking at old kerosene Force 10 Cozy’s, Sig 100’s, and (getting’ kinda crazy and desperate) my own air-tight designs based on aircraft Janitrols an MSR International Whisperlight.
Any better/proven ideas?
BTW, Slow Flight and Queen Ann’s Revenge, we share the same berthing. Help if you can.
Russ Milham
'81 C-22 “Griot” |
Peter
South Daytona, Florida
Boat Name: (Working On A Name)
Model/Year: C-22, 1974
Hull No. 2679
Hailing Port: South Daytona, Florida |
11/06/2012 7:44 AM Pacific Time
How about the "Little Buddy" heater. Here's a link to one (or Google Mr. Heater Little Buddy Propane Heater:
http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Mr-Heater-Little-Buddy-Propane-Heater&i=411148&r=view&aID=505K4B&cvsfa=2586&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=343131313438&s_kwcid=goobasecontent_goobasecontent_filler&cID=GSHOP_411148
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Lynn Buchanan
Nevada City, CA
Boat Name: SAILYNN
Model/Year: SWING 1984
Hull No. 11994
Hailing Port: SCOTTS FLAT LAKE, CA |
11/07/2012 10:34 AM Pacific Time
Hi Russ, Little Buddy is a good choice using propane. I have seen permanently installed small kerosene heaters that swing from a bulkhead or mounted to the starboard bulkhead in the picture section of the catalina22yahoogroup website. you have to have a yahoo log on id to access. Some parts are restricted to C22 NSA members only. One friend had a Origo stove with potholder wires and placed a upside down non-painted ceramic flower pot with a hole in the bottom over the flame set on low. It produced a radiant heat that kept the boat very warm with the hatch boards in. Whatever you use, be sure to leave a fresh air source (crack a hatch open) somewhere on the boat. |
Russ Milham
Lake Forest Park, WA
Boat Name: Griot
Model/Year: C-22 1981
Hull No. CTYH0492M811
Hailing Port: Kenmore Air Harbor |
02/24/2013 4:49 PM Pacific Time
Thanks for the follow-ups! Here's my update...
For years, I had a Mr. Heater Little Buddy mounted on the starboard forward settee bullhead. It did a great job of taking the chill off the cabin, but I was never comfortable with the unvented installation with the crib boards in and the forward hatch dogged down. Also, in the soggy chilly environment around Puget Sound, it covered every surface of the cabin condensation.
I tracked down a NIB diesel Force 10 Cozy on eBay and a used pressure tank and I fabricated a semi-permanent mounting system in the same spot as I had the Little Buddy. This time, I used .125in 6061-T6 aluminum sheet to create what’s essentially a fancy C-clamp that grips the top of the bulkhead and picks up the lower starboard chain plate bolt. I also fashioned a heat shield from .125in 316 stainless to protect the bulkhead and coach top, cabin wall, window molding, and coach top. Outside and inside finishing rings are fabricated from leftover .75in solid teak flooring stock that I had left over from our home remodel.
The diesel installation was a nightmare. Even with a propane torch, I was never able to get a reasonable preheat on the fuel generator. Also, there’s very little draft. I think I’m really pushing it with just a 12in stack. Basically, it made by cabin roof look like a West Virginia coalmine after about three lighting attempts.
I ripped out the diesel system and ordered a propane conversion kit from Sig. I also purchased their 1lb disposable bottle adapter and mounted it externally to the transom. I ran a continuous 3/8in soft copper tube through a PVC conduit from the transom above the sliding pass-through and into the space between the back of the starboard settee and the outer hull. From there, the tube runs through open air and up through the forward end of the settee seat and into the burner.
I was a little worry when I saw an offhanded notation on Sig’s Web site stating that conversion from diesel to propane required a minimum 24in stack for proper draft. However, I have run the system for a cumulative ~12 hours with no measurable increase in cabin humidity or CO levels.
Finally, it doesn’t take up any more room than the Little Buddy heater, it’s just as easy to operate, and it looks seriously classy.
Here are links to some pictures:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=541645729181989&set=a.272516456094919.79254.100000097016983&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=542178955795333&set=a.272516456094919.79254.100000097016983&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=544023358944226&set=a.272516456094919.79254.100000097016983&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=548156545197574&set=a.272516456094919.79254.100000097016983&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=548184541861441&set=a.272516456094919.79254.100000097016983&type=1&theater |
Peter
South Daytona, Florida
Boat Name: (Working On A Name)
Model/Year: C-22, 1974
Hull No. 2679
Hailing Port: South Daytona, Florida |
02/25/2013 10:15 AM Pacific Time
Really would like to see your pics, but the links don't work. |
Russ Milham
Lake Forest Park, WA
Boat Name: Griot
Model/Year: C-22 1981
Hull No. CTYH0492M811
Hailing Port: Kenmore Air Harbor |
02/25/2013 7:03 PM Pacific Time
Try these links instead...
http://rilinterface.com/Griot/CabinHeater/Images/FinalAssembly01.jpg
http://rilinterface.com/Griot/CabinHeater/Images/MarkingCoachTop.jpg
http://rilinterface.com/Griot/CabinHeater/Images/FinshedInstall01.jpg
http://rilinterface.com/Griot/CabinHeater/Images/CharlieNobel.jpg
http://rilinterface.com/Griot/CabinHeater/Images/DarkFlame.jpg
Doesn't look like the forum supports hypertext so you'll need to copy and paste these into the address line of your Web browser. |
Larry
Greenville, SC
Boat Name: Kemo Sabe
Model/Year: C-22 , 1973
Hull No. 2229
Hailing Port: www.keoweesailingclub.com |
02/25/2013 8:36 PM Pacific Time
NICE! |
Russ Milham
Lake Forest Park, WA
Boat Name: Griot
Model/Year: C-22 1981
Hull No. CTYH0492M811
Hailing Port: Kenmore Air Harbor |
02/25/2013 9:06 PM Pacific Time
Thanks |
Peter
South Daytona, Florida
Boat Name: (Working On A Name)
Model/Year: C-22, 1974
Hull No. 2679
Hailing Port: South Daytona, Florida |
02/26/2013 7:45 AM Pacific Time
Seriously Russ, very nicely done. Appreciate your sharing with us. How long will a 1-lb bottle last keeping the heater at say a minimum setting? |
Russ Milham
Lake Forest Park, WA
Boat Name: Griot
Model/Year: C-22 1981
Hull No. CTYH0492M811
Hailing Port: Kenmore Air Harbor |
02/27/2013 5:24 PM Pacific Time
That’s a good question, Peter. Though I’m planning to find out, I’ve not run through a fresh 1lb bottle yet. I’ve been doing my long-run tests on a 20lb tank on a hose-adapter. I’ll certainly post as soon as I find out.
BTW, do you know Andres Zellweger? I used to race with him on his Oday/Jeanneau 39 “Esprit” out of Daytona Beach. |
Dr. James Filberth
Overland Park. Kansas
Boat Name: JiJo
Model/Year: 1995 C28
Hull No. 396
Hailing Port: Smithville, Missouri |
03/12/2020 6:44 AM Pacific Time
Air conditioning. Does anyone know the cabin cubic feet on a C28 MK1? Also recommendations for AC units and BTUs needed? Anyone use Webasto,Dometic, or Marine Air EnviroComfort??? |
John Beck
Gahanna, Ohio
Boat Name:
Model/Year: 76 c 30
Hull No.
Hailing Port: Gahanna Ohio |
03/12/2020 6:44 AM Pacific Time
Air conditioning. Does anyone know the cabin cubic feet on a C28 MK1? Also recommendations for AC units and BTUs needed? Anyone use Webasto,Dometic, or Marine Air EnviroComfort??? |
