Jim N
Manahawkin
Boat Name: Top Nic
Model/Year: Catalina 22/1977
Hull No. 6821
Hailing Port: Barnegat, NJ |
 05/16/2005 11:00 AM Pacific Time
The kick-up rudder on my 77 C22 is very difficult to kick-up, in fact I think the only way it will kick-up is if I hit ground. When I loosen the tension arm (not sure what the proper name is) the two alluminum plates that encase the rudder do not even budge. I am guessing that the bolt that the tension arm attaches to is Stanless Steel and has bonded with the alluminum plates.
I have tried using penetrating oil and brute force to loosen the two plates to no avail. Does anyone have any advise on how to loosen this up so I can kick-up my rudder? |
Michael Smalter
Webster, NY
Boat Name: Marrakesh
Model/Year: 1986
Hull No. 13645
Hailing Port: Rochester, NY |
05/16/2005 2:34 PM Pacific Time
Jim, I had that problem once. The flanges and bolt seemed to get locked up. What I did was unscrew the tightening handle, replace it with a nut screwed on until the screw thread ALMOST came out the end of the nut, then wack the nut real hard with a big hammer to drive the bolt out. Once the head of the bolt was out, I could move all the parts and I just reassembled it. Its been fine for 4 or 5 years now. |
Jim N
Manahawkin
Boat Name: Top Nic
Model/Year: Catalina 22/1977
Hull No. 6821
Hailing Port: Barnegat, NJ |
05/16/2005 7:50 PM Pacific Time
Thanks, that broke the seal, the rudder know kicks up with ease. I could not get the bolt out, but it did free up and I will see if I can get this thing apart tomorrow.
Right now I have a new problem, I can not really tighten the kick-up rudder enough to keep it down when at sail, I am guessing this is related to the fact that I can not get this thing apart, it is not just right yet?
Can I assume that when (if) I can get this thing apart, and clean it up, it will work OK as far as being able to hand tighten the rudder in the down position? |
Michael Smalter
Webster, NY
Boat Name: Marrakesh
Model/Year: 1986
Hull No. 13645
Hailing Port: Rochester, NY |
05/17/2005 4:56 PM Pacific Time
If you are tightening the hand lever hard and it still kicks up, something is preventing the tightening force from squeezing the rudder blade. There is a washer shaped bump in one of the metal side pieces that has to fit into a hole in the rudder housing. Any chance it rotated slightly and is cocking the assembly? If not, I'd use penetrating oil, get the bolt out, clean things up, and reassemble. |
Jim N
Manahawkin
Boat Name: Top Nic
Model/Year: Catalina 22/1977
Hull No. 6821
Hailing Port: Barnegat, NJ |
05/22/2005 6:19 PM Pacific Time
Mike,
Used some penetrating oil, got the bolt out. Turns out there was alot of salt and corrosion, plust the bolt was a little bent on the end that the handle goes on.
I tool everything apart and cleaned it real good, also got a new stanless bolt, it is a little longe but works O.K. The kick up rudder now works fine.
Thanks. |
George
Georgetown, SC
Boat Name: Blu Notes
Model/Year: C-22 1982
Hull No. 11184
Hailing Port: Georgetown, SC |
09/25/2005 9:48 AM Pacific Time
Mine is also a kick up style rudder but when I took it apart to replace a broken screw, I found a piece of rubber gasket between the plates. It seems that this is what is keeping it from kicking up. It is supposed to be there? |
Nancy Varvil
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Boat Name: Cha-Ching
Model/Year: 1981
Hull No. 10448
Hailing Port: Beaver Lake, Arkansas |
09/25/2005 12:38 PM Pacific Time
That advice re putting a nut on end of bolt to pound and loosen it from the aluminum disks was just right for me. My rudder has been popping back a little almost at once when underway. I took it apart today, using that that bolt removal method, cleaned out a lot of debris, corrosion and put it back together. It seems to lock in place now. The test will be when I put it on the boat and sail. |
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09/26/2005 5:03 AM Pacific Time
I've done a lot of work on Chip Ahoy's rudder and housing. You can see it at:
http://www.chipford.com/rudder.htm
http://www.chipford.com/rudder_lift.htm
Hope this helps, or provides some ideas. What I've done has worked great, though as I note there, is perhaps somewhat overkill that'd I do a second time differently.
Chip Ford --
Marblehead, Mass.
1974 Swing Keel "Chip Ahoy" #3282
Chip Ahoy website: www.chipford.com
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John Connor
Little Rock, AR
Boat Name: Weekender
Model/Year: C22 1982
Hull No. 11192
Hailing Port: Little Rock, Arkansas |
09/29/2005 11:56 AM Pacific Time
George,
I've got an '82 and had the same rubber gasket on both sides of the rudder. I took it out and used silicone instead.
John |
