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Bajaman
Hemet, CA
Boat Name:
Model/Year: 1990 Wing
Hull No. 15155
Hailing Port: San Diego/Los Angeles, CA |
 10/28/2007 9:04 AM Pacific Time
Hello All--
Picked my new to me 1990 C22 winged keel. It has the original white Trail Rite trailer. I have a few questions to help get me familiarized with the boat. I am sure there will be many more questions as I learn more about the boat. I appreciate the advice/tips given. I have owned many boats and was alwaya interested in a C22. All of my sailing is trailer sailing - I trailer to all sailing locales in So. Cal. (San Diego Bay, local lake, Catalina Island, etc.).
1. Mast raising - I would like to be able to do it single handed. (I do have an extendable transom-mounted mast trailering support. It extends up when preparing to raise mast). What is prefered and safest method? I have seen a system on a Santana 2023 and it was very simple design (gin pole attached at base of mast, a line on each side of mast about 7 feet up from base that attached to deck (for stabilizing).
2. Trailer - I noticed that trailer beams in center are very close to ground, as keel sits on a plate. Is this low sitting of trailer beams correct? Any issues to be aware of with this? I am sure one needs to be careful when entering/exiting driveways with good size "dips" in them. Any trailer mods to improve trailer or is it pretty good from factory?
3. Launching/retrieving guidelines - do's and don'ts, tips, etc
4. Outboard recs - I need a 4 stroke (4-5-6 hp ?) Long shaft or Extra Long shaft?
5. Any other info that would assist me in getting started with this boat and preparing for launch?
Thanks,
Carlos |
Thomas Jay Holz
Amsterdam, NY
Boat Name: CjAndeai
Model/Year: C-22 1989
Hull No. 15021
Hailing Port: Great Sacandaga Lake |
10/29/2007 3:27 AM Pacific Time
Hello Carlos,
I have a '89 wing keel catalina 22, and I love it, and I'm sure that you will find that's it's a great boat as well. As far as the mast raising, my setup is the same as the the Santana's. A gin pole. I have yet to make the side supports, but when I do, I'll model them after Ken Brown's system. I raise and lower the mast only twice a year, and the gin pole that I've made works great. I will be posting photos of my new and improved gin pole on my blog site; www.cjandeai.blogspot.com very soon, please check it out, there might be some other things there to help you out.
As far as trailer, I'm unfamilier with the Trail Rite's, but on my Triad Trailer, it does sit somewhat low, and has not been an issue.
Launching, just don't drive off the end of the ramp, and make sure your car/truck is in park, with the brake on. On my trailer, the keel guides work well to center the boat on the trailer. My only issue to date, was on this past haulout on Labor Day. The water level was way down, and I had to use the extension. We had just enough water to float the boat on, but when I winched the boat up, not knowing, the keel was off center a bit, and got hung up on the keel guide. I didn't realize it until it was to late, and after the boat was out. It took a payloader to move the boat 4" to get past the guide. It had to be done that way, due to the water level, I just could not re-float her.
The outboard. I have a Honda 8hp, 4 stroke, non-electric start, long shaft. It's a great motor, but maybe a 6hp would of have been better as far as the weight goes.
Carlos, I hope this help you a little, Jay |
Howard Friedman
Pisgah Forest, NC
Boat Name: Forspacious Seas
Model/Year: Wing - 1989
Hull No. 14907
Hailing Port: Lake Keowee-Seneca, SC |
10/29/2007 9:04 AM Pacific Time
I also have an '89 wing keel and really love it. I used to have an older swing keel model that was very problematic. The wing is no trouble at all. It does sit higher on my trailer than the swing. The keel needs to have a positive pressure on the center step of the trailer so that it doesn't bounce around putting stress on the hull when driving. I use the mast raising system sold by CD in conjunction with the "Mast-Up" also sold by CD. Sounds like you already have the "mast-Up" in place. This combination is a breeze to use but must be installed precisely. It is also very easy to store. The only draw back is the price. I always use my trailer extension but my trailer is a tandem with 13" wheels. I have also missed the guide and had to refloat |
Greg Rohde
Placerville, California
Boat Name: I sold it
Model/Year: 75'
Hull No. 4640
Hailing Port: New home in Medford, Oregon |
10/29/2007 9:09 AM Pacific Time
Carlos,
As for raising the mast..I stradle it with the hatch closed and just pull it up as many others do. Then have my crew pin the forestay.
I have a 75' Trail Rite. It does sit low and you should watch out, but I've had no problems and it tows great with my Durango. Replace the wheel bearings though.
I use an Evinrude 6hp 2 stroke long shaft. It's a bit heavy for racing..but pushes the boat nice.
You might check out http://www.chipford.com/ and the Discussion list for great info. David has a nice forum as well at http://www.c22region10.org/bb/
Regards, Greg |
Howard Friedman
Pisgah Forest, NC
Boat Name: Forspacious Seas
Model/Year: Wing - 1989
Hull No. 14907
Hailing Port: Lake Keowee-Seneca, SC |
10/29/2007 9:20 AM Pacific Time
PS: I have a 6 HP Yamaha 2-stroke that has worked great.. |
Geoff Endris
Carmel, IN
Boat Name: Repose
Model/Year: 1989
Hull No. 14949
Hailing Port: Indianapolis, IN |
10/29/2007 7:16 PM Pacific Time
I have a 89 wing keel, and use the mastup as well. Here's a setup I got from Rich Fox (C-22 commodore).
Rich mounted a cam cleat to the trailer frame above the winch. He attaches a line to the jib halyard, through the cam and back to the mast. Once he gets the mastup raised, he straddles the mast and lifts it up. He can hold the mast at any position just by tensioning the halyard line through the cam.
I have some vertical boat guides that fasten to the trailer frame. They help get the boat centered on the trailer first time with no problems.
My trailer sits low too, but I've had no problems towing. The low trailer actually helps with launching and retrieving. |
Geoff Endris
Carmel, IN
Boat Name: Repose
Model/Year: 1989
Hull No. 14949
Hailing Port: Indianapolis, IN |
10/29/2007 7:17 PM Pacific Time
I have a honda 5 hp 4 stroke engine with a long shaft. No problems pushing the boat at hull speed. |
Ron Peak
Grove, OK
Boat Name: Quiet Time
Model/Year: 1980
Hull No. 9772
Hailing Port: Cedar Cove, Grand Lake, OK |
10/30/2007 6:00 AM Pacific Time
As one who also trailers to different sailing locations, I would be interested in knowing how to get on the road to Catalina? Ron |
Craig Burlette
St Louis MO
Boat Name: Toujours ete'
Model/Year: C22 / 1974
Hull No.
Hailing Port: Lake Saint Louis MO |
10/30/2007 6:11 AM Pacific Time
One trick that I use to raise the mast on Toujours ete, my swing keel C22, is to park the rig facing down hill. Once the mast goes past vertical it will fall forward onto the back stay and rear lowers making it easier to grab the forestay and secure it to the bow. |
Bajaman
Hemet, CA
Boat Name:
Model/Year: 1990 Wing
Hull No. 15155
Hailing Port: San Diego/Los Angeles, CA |
10/30/2007 9:38 PM Pacific Time
Who is Ken Brown and what mast raising system has he created/designed? I'd like to know more about it.
Thanks |
Thomas Jay Holz
Amsterdam, NY
Boat Name: CjAndeai
Model/Year: C-22 1989
Hull No. 15021
Hailing Port: Great Sacandaga Lake |
11/01/2007 3:50 AM Pacific Time
Carlos, Ken's link to his A-Frame slider for mast raising is; http://homepage.mac.com/kbrown/PhotoAlbum11.html Also you can go to Chip Fords site; www.chipford.com and search the links there, it's a great site,. Also www.c22pdx.org is great, with great tech info, such as mast raising. Jay |
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